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Cascading IIR filter with All pass filter (APF) for constant group delay and linear phase over the passband using MATLAB not working?

I've designed an IIR Low pass filter in MATLAB with the following parameters. ...
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Slope of phase function

Would appreciate some help understanding if I take the phase function of some transfer function and derivative it in the linear part of it which is around the resonant frequency what does this slope ...
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Does flat group delay bandwidth of a Thiran filter increase with increase in filter order?

Experimentally, it does seem that for a Thiran allpass delay filter of desired low-frequency group delay $D$ with filter order $N$, increase in filter order $N$ increases bandwidth of the frequency ...
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Does a FIR filter $H(z)$ with maximally flat passband group delay response satisfy $|H(e^{i\omega})| \leq 1$? [closed]

From this paper (Maximally flat low-pass FIR filters with reduced delay) and others, I know that it is possible to impose maximally flat passband group delay response constraints. Suppose that I do ...
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Stability of N-order Thiran delay filter when required passband delay is N+1

In this lecture note, on page 7 (or page 111, the same page), it is said that the Thiran allpass delay filter of order N with passsband delay N+1 reproduces samples with zero error. I find it hard to ...
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Alternative derivation for a Thiran filter

Following this reasoning (link on ee.se) I'm trying to derive the transfer function for a Thiran filter, but I get stuck. I know of the original paper, I just thought I'd go this way. This is what I'm ...
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Group delay compensation for non coincident drivers

Suppose I have a two-way speakers system which can be modeled as a two-way Linkwitz-Riley crossovers network with impulse responses $h_{lp}(n)$ and $h_{hp}(n)$. I would like to equalize the group ...
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Best way convert transfer function to FIR filter without group delay if i have complex transfer function data

when i calculate acoustic transfer function, system identification using adaptive fir filtering is usually used and that have not tap/2 group delay maybe. in simulation if i have complex number of ...
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Issue Understanding Time Delay of a Digital Filter

I am new to the world of digital filters and am educating myself with the book Introduction to Digital Filters by J.O Smith III,. The author derives the frequency response of a very simplistic filter: ...
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Is the filter $1/(1-s)$ anti-causal?

The filter with the response function $$ H(s) = \frac{1}{1 - s} $$ Produces a positive phase shift and a negative group delay for all frequencies Is it anti-causal? Is there a way to deduce such ...
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Group Delay of a GLP [closed]

I am trying to understand what is the Group delay from a given figure. I was given an assignment with the following figure: and was asked the following: "what is the group delay (in the passband ...
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Audio crackles with delay in series

I am learning to write audio plugins using VST3 sdk. I have an issue implementing 2 delays in serie, the audio starts crackling. Here is the processing code: ...
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Varying shift between microphone data

I had given a sine wave of frequency 2kHz as input to two microphones placed near to each other. The data grabbed by two microphones are then plotted in MATLAB and it was found out that the initial ...
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How do large tap counts effect FIR Filters for block data?

I am using the ARM CMSIS DSP library for a signal processing application. I find good filter performance when using tap counts that are in excess of 10% of the length of my data block. I understand ...
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FM demodulation using complex differentiation

I'm trying to implement the complex differentiation discriminator which is taken from Software-Defined Radio Using MATLAB, Simulink, and the RTL-SDR. The final result is $$s(t) = \frac{s_q'(t) s_i(t) -...
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can $e^{j\phi_0}$ be incorporated into the sine and cosine terms?

This is from "communication system" by Carlson fifth edition page 109: If transfer function of a channel be like this: $H(f)= Ae^{j\phi_0}e^{-j2\pi ft_g} $ and input to this system be: $x(t)=...
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RF-Chain Signal Delay for Sensor Switching

Lets have a RF-chain as above with system bandwith from HP corner to the green line say 1 MHz. The signal accumulates delay as it passes through this analog chain, and due to it being non-liner filter ...
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Designing digital low pass filter with low pass-band group delay

I'm interested in specifying a digital low pass filter with low (and near constant) pass band group delay. I tried python's spicy.signal.minimum_phase to transform ...
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What is the relationship between group delay and propagation delay for a filter? [duplicate]

I was trying to design a filter for a system and I was able to obtain the group delay plot in matlab using grpdelay. The group delay output is in samples. However, I was not able to relate that data ...
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Matlab group delay not corresponding to reality

I studying effects of digital filters group delay (IIR). In Matlab there is a function grpdelay which allows for particular frequency get a value of delay in samples But after filter applying and ...
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Stability of filters with negative phase delay, group delay, and positive phase

Lets assume I have an IIR filter with : bz = [1.0195 0 0]; az = [1 0.0166 0.0020]; fvtool(bz,az) The filter is stable as i can see. If you check the phase delay ...
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Group Delay of Mulitrate system

how do I find the group delay of multirate system.(sample rate converter) , IIR non-linear phase filter Say decimation by 2 (with lpf) = tf1(num,den) then again decimation by 2 (with lpf) = tf2(num,...
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How to practically correct for group delay imposed by a digital filter (Python)

I'm using Python to filter a signal using a Butterworth filter (scipy.signal.butter) and subsequently passing this through a forward-backward filter with cascaded second order sections (scipy.signal....
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Design FIR with linear phase response

What is the best way to design a FIR filter with a given linear phase response, such that each frequency inside the passband is phase shifted according to: $$H(f)=e^{i2\pi f k}$$ where $k$ is factor ...
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Bandpass with large group delay

I read that a simple delay filter that delays all frequencies requires at least $\frac {N-1} {2f_s}$ taps. In my case this would result in way too many taps (20000). Can I achieve this with ...
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Group delay plot of a Moving average filter

I am implementing the moving average filter in Matlab. Using fvtool on this filter, gave the following output curve, is this group delay curve correct? Edit: My confusion is regarding the values of ...
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Group delay of non differentiable unwrapped phase

As we know group delay as a function of frequency, computed as differentiation of unwrapped phase, but what happen at those frequencies where unwrapped phase is non differentiable?how to calculate ...
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Estimation of Group Delay from Noisy Frequency Response Measurements

Consider a linear, time-invariant system. Noisy measurements of the magnitude and phase associated with the frequency response of the system are available over some dense generally non-uniform grid ...
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How do you calculate the group delay in samples of a Biquad Filter at a given frequency from the coefficients?

If I have a BiQuad all-pass filter with a given set of coefficients such as: g: 0.903228 a1: -1.88142 a2: 0.903228 B1: -2.08299 B2: 1.10714 And my operation per ...
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Negative group delay and envelope advance

I am having a doubt reading about delays in signal processing. Let there be an input to a LTI system with frequency response $H(f)$, given signal $x(t) = a(t)\cos(2\pi f_ot)$, where $a(t)$ is a ...
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Calculate the time delay introduced by group delay for IIR-Filters

First of all, let me show what I mean by a simple example of an FIR-Filter: I designed an FIR-Filter with a constant group delay of 323 samples and my sampling rate is 500 Hz. Now I can calculate the ...
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What is meant by "Group delay"?in simple words?

Although likes of this question have been asked many times on DSP SE But i am unable to understand those and i wish to have a crystal clear explanation in simple words with example The only thing ...
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Group Delay for Hilbert Transformer and Resulting Dispersion

An ideal Hilbert Transformer shifts the phase for all positive frequencies by $-\pi/2$ and all negative frequencies by $+\pi/2$ while maintaining constant magnitude everywhere. Group Delay is the ...
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Compensate delay of non-symmetric (non-linear phase) filter

Lets assume I want to apply a matched filter h which is non-symmetric to my signal x and the output is ...
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Compensating the Group Delay of an Analog Filter using DSP

I am having a problem in my current project where I need to measure different biological signals (like ECG) simultaneously. As the instrumentation hardware is developed by different people over time, ...
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Measuring group delay through a linear phase filter

I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around a phase/ group delay problem and it corresponding to where you start sampling so I built up a system to test some of these issues. The system passes ...
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Ideal Discrete Time Hilbert Transformer with constant group delay

Let's assume we have an ideal discrete time Hilbert Trasnformation system (90-degree phase shifter) with a frequency response over one period: $$H(e^{jw}) = \left\{ \begin{array}{ll} -j & \...
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average linear phase (group delay)- how can be calculated, given a signal samples at frequency F?

Average linear phase (group delay)- how can be calculated, given a signal samples at frequency F? The definition doesn't help since the frequency is constant: $-[signalPhase(n)-signalPhase(n-1)]/[...
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Compute group delay of an audio file from STFT

I'd like to reproduce results from this paper in which the authors used Group Delay-grams as an input to the Machine Learning model. The Machine Learning side is not the one that I have problems with. ...
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How to compare many bandpass filters (for their signal propogation delay)?

Let's say we have an audio signal sampled at 96 kHz, and we want to compare several bandpass filters to find the one with the lowest rectangular-envelope-propagation-delay (see graph below). The band ...
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Mean delay for a M tap harmonically weighted filter

I am trying to derive the mean delay for $M$ filter taps harmonically weighted: $$y[n] = \frac{M\,x[n] + (M-1)x[n−1]... + 1 \cdot x[n−M+1]}{\tfrac12 M (M + 1)}$$. For a uniformly weighted filter, I ...
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The grid frequencies In the design of a digital filter

I want to find many difference 'h' with same group delay and length filter using this code : https://gist.github.com/mattdsp/17f508d2b368db61f47689e4622d8841/c1518f22a5aa451951601b56c5d9f72743868bfe ...
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Compensating for group delay in FIR with symmetrical coefficients

Suppose I have a sinusoidal signal of 50Hz sampled at 6.4kHz and I wished to filter it at: Band pass: 160Hz, Bands stop: 800Hz, Apass:0.1db, Astop: 106db For a FIR filter order of 40 I would get 41 ...
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All pass filter design for group delay compensation

I've designed an IIR bandpass elliptic filter in Scilab with the following parameters. Sampling Frequency = 25000 Hz Lower cutoff frequency = 100 Hz Upper cutoff frequency = 150 Hz Pass band ripple = ...
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IIR filter group delay

I've designed an IIR bandpass elliptic filter in Scilab with the following parameters. Sampling Frequency = 25000 Hz Lower cutoff frequency = 100 Hz Upper cutoff frequency = 150 Hz Pass band ...
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Interpolated FIR filter group delay

I'm trying to design a digital low pass filter with a narrow transition band. My sampling rate is 25 kHz, the cut off frequency is 60 Hz & the transition band width is 4 Hz. I'm looking for about ...
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Physical Meaning of Negative Group Delay for causal LTI systems

I have implemented in Matlab (with minor variations) the example 5.1.2 "Illustration of Effects of Group Delay and Attenuation" I found in Alan Oppenheim's Discrete-Time Signal Processing 3rd edition. ...
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Interpretation of instaneous time and instaneous frequency in time-frequency plane?

In this paper: Sparse time-frequency representations, Given signal $x(t)$, the time-frequency representation was got by Gabor transform and was denoted by $\chi(t,\omega)=|\chi(t,\omega)|\exp(\mathrm{...
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position of useful filtered data inside DFT based filtered output

I'm trying to filter a 400 samples signal with various bandstop FIR filters (constant group delay), one at a time to see which one gives me the desired result. Every filter was build using the Kaiser ...
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Finding phase from group delay

I know that group delay is defined as : $$\begin{align} \tau(\omega) = grd [H(e^{j\omega})] &=-\frac{d[\arg[H(e^{j\omega})]]}{d\omega}\end{align}$$ But if what is available is group delay itself,...
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