# the $L^2$-norm of a signal is also applied as its energy!

I am a newcomer in signal processing. I saw that the $$L^2$$-norm of a signal is also applied as its energy! How is this concept illustrated for those ones who are working in pure math.

• I lack time for this but if this really interests you, don't let anyone stop you at circuit analogies or the current answer - there is a satisfactory explanation. Commented Oct 25, 2020 at 8:11
• Hold on! $L^2$ norm is the square root of the sum of the squares of the samples. For energy, you'd use the square of the $L^2$ norm. Commented Oct 25, 2020 at 9:03
• @OlliNiemitalo Correct. I'd say I ignored this but actually didn't notice. Commented Oct 25, 2020 at 9:18
• It would be good to clarify how the tag continuous-signals is associated with the question. Commented Oct 25, 2020 at 9:59

Yes, the square of the $$L_2$$ norm of a signal is also by definition its energy $$\mathcal{E}_x$$.

The concept of signal energy :

$$\mathcal{E}_x = \int_{-\infty}^{ \infty } x(t)^2 dt\tag{1}$$

is fundamentally based on the concept of energy (or work) in physics, as the Kinetic Energy of a particle with mass $$m$$ and velocity $$v$$ given by

$$K = \frac{1}{2} m v^2 \tag{2}$$

There is also the concept of power defined as the time-rate of work $$W(t)$$.

$$p(t) = \frac{dW(t)}{dt} \tag{3}$$

The relation between instantaneous power $$p(t)$$ and the energy is :

$$\mathcal{E} = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} p(t) dt \tag{4}$$

Electrical engineers ignore the mechanical roots, and rely on an electrical analog of energy as heat loss in an Ohmic resistor defined to be:

$$\mathcal{E} = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} p(t) dt \tag{5}$$

Where $$p(t)$$ is the instantaneous electric power associated with a current $$i(t)$$ passing through a linear time-invariant resistor $$R$$ , and is given by :

$$p(t) = R \cdot i^2(t) \tag{6}$$

( $$p(t) = v^2(t)/R$$ is also an equivalent expression, based on Ohm's law $$v(t) = R i(t)$$)

Then the energy of the current, passing through a linear time-invariant system denoted by an Ohmic resistor $$R$$, is given by :

$$\mathcal{E} = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} R \cdot i^2(t) dt \tag{7}$$

Ignoring the resistor $$R$$ (or setting it to be $$R=1$$), and replacing the current variable $$i(t)$$ with a general unitless $$x(t)$$, we arrive at the mathematical definition of signal energy of as:

$$\mathcal{E} = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x^2(t) dt \tag{8}$$

That being stated, in a parallel course, the study of normed linear Hilbert spaces also consider mathematical p-th Euclidean norm of a complex valued vector as :

$$L_p = \left( \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} |x(t)|^p dt \right)^{1/p} \tag{9}$$

And you can see that the square of the case $$p=2$$ corresponds to the signal energy as defined in Eq.(8).

All of these can similarly be transferred to discrete-time domain.

• Your explanations are so nice. It was really impressed me. Thanks a lot.
– ABB
Commented Oct 26, 2020 at 14:47
• @OverLordGoldDragon So say we all.
– Peter K.
Commented Apr 5, 2022 at 20:07
• @Fat32 Since this question was asked, which is roughly when I first started with this network and signal processing. Hoped to finish a thing a biiit sooner. Commented Apr 5, 2022 at 20:22
• @OverLordGoldDragon haa yes should be so, good luck... ;-) Commented Apr 5, 2022 at 20:25
• @mins indeed it "is" mentioned in the text, yet a bit not cleary.. Commented May 9, 2023 at 22:27

From physics, energy is a term often used as a quantitative property. In other words, energy is a quantity that is preserved under some actions, transformations, etc. In signal processing (where physics vanish), this often takes the shape of a sum or an integral of a squared quantity for reals, or its modulus for complex data. We can write it symbolically for discrete or continuous time ($$\cdot^H$$ denotes the complex conjugate) by $$\sum x[n]x^H[n]$$ or $$\int x(t)x^H(t)$$. When they are well-defined (convergence, etc.), such quantities are mostly proportional to the square of some $$L^2$$ or $$\ell^2$$ norm. As said in other answers, energy and squared $$L^2$$ or $$\ell^2$$ norms are related by definition, they are at the center of complex Hilbert spaces.

Now, why are these concepts so important in signal processing? Because the linearity of systems is strongly linked to energy: minimizing an energy often results in linear equations, from simple averaging to generic convolution, with a special connection with Gaussian noises.

The crux of the squared norm use in DSP is related to orthogonality and unitarity: in signal and image processing, we pretend that some representations can preserve the energy (or up to a factor, or approximately), and be way more efficient for some processing methods: smoothing, adaptive filtering, separation, inversion, restoration, reconstruction, etc. Fourier, short-time Fourier, spectrograms, wavelets and other perform this energy conservation.

Lastly, energy preservation also plays a role in algorithmic stability.

• Nice illustrations. Thanks
– ABB
Commented Oct 26, 2020 at 14:36
• Indeed I am looking forward tow points concerning this issue: 1) To compute the energy why does taking integral make sense? 2) Why in $L^2$-norm? I mean that why the others like $L^p$-norms are not used?!
– ABB
Commented Oct 26, 2020 at 14:43
• 1) One usually considers the energy of the whole data. Hence the sum or the integral. The latter is a kind if continuous sum (the sign looks like a big elongated S, from Summe, or sum in German. The $L^2$ is quite common for many possible reasons. One prominent is that it is relatively easy to "minimize" or "bound". Yet, other $L^p$ norms or quasinorms are increasingly used, because they better model some properties, or now are equiped with efficient algorithms, esp. in optimization Commented Oct 26, 2020 at 15:29

How is this concept illustrated for those ones who are working in pure math.

I've never seen a pure mathematician need an illustration for a definition!

Really, the energy is defined as the sum of squares (discrete time) or the integral of squared (continuous time) signal.

At that point, it's not concept you have to apply, just a definition.

When leaving the math aspect of this and starting to care about the physicality:

This is compatible with the notion of power transported through a physical amplitude-changing phenomenon (like, say, a pressure wave in air, an electric voltage or a current on a wire, an electrical or magnetic field intensity, gravitational waves…): Instantaneous power is proportional to the square of amplitude, and energy is the integral of power over time.

Hence, that definition bridges the physical meaning of energy into signal procesing!

• It's not "just a definition", it makes perfect sense when explained properly, which I'm afraid your answer not only suggests can't be done, but falsely claims it to be axiomatic rather than emergent. Commented Oct 25, 2020 at 8:08
• @OverLordGoldDragon Well, I agree it makes sense and emerged from the physical reality, but then we just removed all the constant factors that brings. Hence my compatibility and proportionality. But really, what would you expect me to do? I could introduce e.g. power over a resistor exposed to a voltage signal – but you're ignoring we're targetting pure mathematicians there. There's no physical pre-knowledge we could assume at this point. This is meant as a motivation, not a derivation, and the derivation becomes Really ugly once you start realizing that our signal processing Commented Oct 25, 2020 at 8:17
• "math" model that we teach to undergrads assumes a lot of things that will be hard to put into an answer, but would probably hurt someone with more functional analysis in their blood than I have a in their tummy. Let's start with integrateability: We teach students that in an integral over an interval, removing or adding countable many points doesn't change the integral value. Cool, so how do we apply this to things that aren't functions, which still use all the time to describe e.g. autocorrelation or frequency domain behaviour, namely tempered distributions? Um, how does something that Commented Oct 25, 2020 at 8:23
• That's the thing, it's not limited to circuits or other cliche examples, it's fundamental to sinusoids, and I've seen no satisfactory explanation on this wherever I looked so I figured it out myself. This explanation is so long (but necessary) that there's no way I'd do it just for sake of answering a random SE question, so I don't blame you for being brief, but I sure as hell wouldn't claim "this is all there's to it", as that's blatantly false and teaches complacency with shallow understanding. I'd make the answer's shortcomings very explicit. Commented Oct 25, 2020 at 8:33
• I think it's very important to not suggest "there's not much more to it than what I wrote in this answer", and a brief clarification like that works, but in this specific case I'd explicitly say something along the lines of "there's much more to it". -- Also, I don't mean to batter anyone over a 'snack' question, but the other responses I've seen are of similar nature and discouraged my own early pondering, and I'm not about to rant on all the years-old Q&A's so I focus on the present. Commented Oct 25, 2020 at 8:52

Possibly off-topic but in order to provide context, i.e. Parseval's identity:
I think a more general outlook should be pointed out. It's applicable in "reality" because we believe that Energy is conserved irrespective of description and there are equivalent similar relations for any of the linear transforms/representations; Laplace, Mellin, Fourier, Discrete, etc... The use of the L_2 norm is a reflection of this. Basically, they are weighted integrals/sums of coefficients/functions. Thus we need L_2 convergence/formulations to reach this conservation.
"More generally, Parseval's identity holds in any inner-product space, "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parseval%27s_identity
A little sketchy and abstract but somewhat informative.