# system bit rate vs channel coding

We are usually asked about the full system bit rate. However, we use channel encoding in practical systems, for example conventional coding with rate $$(1/3)$$. My question is about the full system bit rate in such system which employs channel coding. Should it be calculated including the coding bits or after extracting the code bits? I mean if we have system whose bit rate of $$12bps$$ and employs channel encoding of rate $$(1/3)$$. Should the bit rate be $$12bps$$ or $$4bps$$ since the other $$8$$ bits are used for coding?