# What is the physical significance of negative frequencies?

This has been one of the holes in my cheddar cheese block of understanding DSP, so what is the physical interpretation of having a negative frequency?

If you have a physical tone at some frequency and it is DFT'd, you get a result in both the positive and negative frequencies - why and how does this occur? What does it mean?

Edit: Oct 18th 2011. I have provided my own answer, but expanded the question to include the roots of why negative frequencies MUST exist.

• electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/15539/… Oct 18, 2011 at 0:59
• Thanks endolith, would it be possible to cross link this page to them? I have provided an answer to my own question and would like to share it with that group too. I dont seem to have access to that area... Oct 19, 2011 at 9:06
• After reading all the physical significances of the negative frequencies, I got more confused. I am a chemist. I deal with molecules. The negatives frequencies indicate the instability in the molecules or, in other words, saddle points on the potential energy surface. A stable molecule should have no imaginary frequencies, a transition state should have one (1st order saddle point). Why not stable molecule should have negative frequencies (imaginary frequencies) after all it is the complementary to the real frequency. May 25, 2017 at 18:35
• @PrabinRai negative frequencies and imaginary frequencies are very different. An imaginary frequency turns an oscillating, bounded complex exponential into an exponentially increasing (or decreasing) ordinary exponential. A negative frequency, as the answers below indicate, refers to the "handedness" of the oscillation. They are still bounded functions, so I imagine it would still be "stable". Dec 31, 2017 at 22:39

Negative frequency doesn't make much sense for sinusoids, but the Fourier transform doesn't break up a signal into sinusoids, it breaks it up into complex exponentials (also called "complex sinusoids" or "cisoids"):

$$F(\omega) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(t) \color{Red}{e^{- j\omega t}}\,dt$$

These are actually spirals, spinning around in the complex plane: Spirals can be either left-handed or right-handed (rotating clockwise or counterclockwise), which is where the concept of negative frequency comes from. You can also think of it as the phase angle going forward or backward in time.

In the case of real signals, there are always two equal-amplitude complex exponentials, rotating in opposite directions, so that their real parts combine and imaginary parts cancel out, leaving only a real sinusoid as the result. This is why the spectrum of a sine wave always has 2 spikes, one positive frequency and one negative. Depending on the phase of the two spirals, they could cancel out, leaving a purely real sine wave, or a real cosine wave, or a purely imaginary sine wave, etc.

The negative and positive frequency components are both necessary to produce the real signal, but if you already know that it's a real signal, the other side of the spectrum doesn't provide any extra information, so it's often hand-waved and ignored. For the general case of complex signals, you need to know both sides of the frequency spectrum.

• I like that description; I think the diagram explains it well. Oct 18, 2011 at 13:16
• @endolith Nice post - I have seen this from Lyons book btw. It would seem to me that the actual 'starting' point for all oscillations is in the complex domain, and that it just so happens that we can only measure realistic oscillations that occur on the real-axis. So when a physical wave is measured, it is taken BACK into the complex domain, which is where we see its clockwise and counter-clock wise components. Which is funny because 'real' signals end up being 'twice as complicated' as complex signals... Oct 19, 2011 at 3:43
• @Mohammad: I don't know about complex exponentials being more "fundamental" than sinusoids in general, though they are in the case of the Fourier transform. You can produce complex exponentials by adding sinusoids, and sinusoids by adding complex exponentials. They're all just functions. Sinusoids are generally derived from circles, which may be something in the complex plane, or may just be the height of a dot on a spinning wheel. Oct 19, 2011 at 13:41
• @Goldname The positive and negative frequency cisoids are added together. The real parts are in phase and sum together, the imaginary parts are opposite polarity, and cancel out May 22, 2018 at 0:30
• @Tobia You can only throw them out if the original signal is real. If the original signal is complex, then the spectrum is not symmetrical. If your signal is 10 real values, then the FFT output is 10 real values + 10 imaginary values. So it carries twice as much information as necessary. But if your original signal is 10 real + 10 imaginary, the FFT output is also 10 real + 10 imaginary, it contains the same amount of information. Dec 9, 2020 at 1:35

Let's say you had a spinning wheel. How would you describe how fast it is spinning? You'd probably say it's spinning at X revolutions per minute (rpm). Now how do you convey in what direction it's spinning with this number? It's the same X rpm if it's spinning clockwise or anti-clockwise. So you scratch your head and say oh well, here's a smart idea: I'll use the convention of +X to indicate that it's spinning clockwise and -X for anti-clockwise. Voila! You've invented negative rpms!

Negative frequency is no different from the above simple example. A simple mathematical explanation of how the negative frequency pops up can be seen from the Fourier transforms of pure tone sinusoids.

Consider the Fourier transform pair of a complex sinusoid: $e^{\jmath \omega_0 t}\longleftrightarrow \delta(\omega+\omega_0)$ (ignoring constant multiplier terms). For a pure sinusoid (real), we have from Euler's relation:

$$\cos(\omega_0 t)=\frac{e^{\jmath \omega_0t}+e^{-\jmath \omega_0 t}}{2}$$

and hence, its Fourier transform pair (again, ignoring constant multipliers):

$$\cos(\omega_0 t)\longleftrightarrow \delta(\omega+\omega_0) + \delta(\omega-\omega_0)$$

You can see that it has two frequencies: a positive one at $\omega_0$ and a negative one at $-\omega_0$ by definition! The complex sinusoid of $ae^{\jmath \omega_0 t}$ is widely used because it is incredibly useful in simplifying our mathematical calculations. However, it has only one frequency and a real sinusoid actually has two.

• thanks for the answer - I understand the math - and this is something basic I know of, but it doesnt give us information on the physical meaning... Going on your spinning example though - ok, so the sign of the frequency conveys the 'direction' of the change in phase. Fair enough, but still, why does a sinusoid have 'two' frequencies, one positive and one negative? Is it because the fourier transform is 'time agnostic', and so you can look at a real sinusoid in the real direction of time, get your +ve, and look at the same wave backwards in time and get your -ve? Thanks. Oct 16, 2011 at 3:16
• I'm not sure that there is a concrete answer to your confusion. Content at negative frequencies is a consequence of the definition of the Fourier transform and doesn't directly have a physical meaning. The Fourier transform isn't inherently a "physical" operation, so it doesn't have to. A sinusoid's frequency is the time derivative of phase, nothing more. Negative frequencies are just a mathematical artifact that some people get hung up on, similar to the use of "imaginary" parts of complex numbers. They are analysis tools used for modeling, not necessarily existing in the physical world. Oct 16, 2011 at 4:46
• @Mohammad I agree with Jason here. At some point, trying to construct a "physical" explanation for the sake of it can only make things worse. I'm not sure I can explain any better... Oct 16, 2011 at 4:56
• A possible explanation is that from the point of the Fourier transform, a real sinusoid is "really" the sum of two complex sinusoids spinning in opposite directions. Using the wheel analogy: Picture two wheels at the origin of a coordinate system, spinning at the same speed but in opposite directions, with a pin on each that starts at (1,0). Now add the coordinates of both pins: y will always be 0, and x will be a real sinusoid. Oct 16, 2011 at 10:51
• @Mohammad What do imaginary numbers represent to you, in a physical sense? Oct 19, 2011 at 3:20

Currently, my viewpoint (it is subject to change) is the following

For sinusoidal repetition only positive frequencies makes sense. The physical interpretation is clear. For complex exponential repetition both positive and negative frequencies makes sense. It may be possible to attach a physical interpretation to negative frequency. That physical interpretation of negative frequency has to do with direction of repetition.

The definition of frequency as provided on wiki is: "Frequency is the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time"

If sticking to this definition negative frequency does not make sense and therefore has no physical interpretation. However, this definition of frequency is not thorough for complex exponential repetition which can also have direction.

Negative frequencies are used all the time when doing signal or system analysis. The fundamental reason for this being the Euler formula $$e^{j\omega n} = \cos( \omega n) + j\, \sin(\omega n)$$ and the fact that complex exponentials are eigenfunctions of LTI systems.

The sinusoidal repetition is normally of interest and the complex exponential repetition is often used to obtain the sinusoidal repetition indirectly. That the two are related can be easily seen by considering the Fourier representation written using complex exponentials e.g. $$x[n]= \frac{1}{2\pi} \int_{-\pi}^{\pi}\!\!\!d\omega \;\;\;\;X(e^{j\omega}) e^{j\omega n}$$

However, this is equivalent to

$$x[n] = \frac{1}{2\pi} \int_{0}^{\pi}\!\!d\omega \;\;[a(\omega) \cos(\omega n) + b(\omega) \sin(\omega n)] = \frac{1}{2\pi} \int_{0}^{\pi}\!\!d\omega \;\; \alpha(\omega) \sin(\omega n + \phi(\omega))]$$

So instead of considering a positive 'sinusoidal frequency axis', a negative and positive 'complex exponential frequency axis' is considered. On the 'complex exponential frequency axis', for real signals, it is well known that the negative frequency part is redundant and only the positive 'complex exponential frequency axis' is considered. In making this step implicitly we know that the frequency axis represents complex exponential repetition and not sinusoidal repetition.

The complex exponential repetition is a circular rotation in the complex plane. In order to create a sinusoidal repetition it takes two complex exponential repetitions, one repetition clock-wise and one repetition counter clock-wise. If a physical device is constructed that produces a sinusoidal repetition inspired by how the sinusoidal repetition is created in the complex plane, that is, by two physically rotating devices that rotates in opposite directions, one of the rotating devices can be said to have a negative frequency and thereby the negative frequency has a physical interpretation.

• I like your explanation... slowly a picture is emerging, see my answer / edit-to-question. Oct 19, 2011 at 3:23

In many common applications negative frequencies have no direct physical meaning at all. Consider a case where there is an input and an output voltage in some electrical circuit with resistors, capacitors, and inductors. There is simply a real input voltage with one frequency and there is a single output voltage with the same frequency but different amplitude and phase.

The ONLY reason why you would consider complex signals, complex Fourier Transforms and phasor math at this point is mathematically convenience. You could do it just as well with entirely real math, it would just be a lot harder.

There are different types of time/frequency transforms. The Fourier Transform uses a complex exponential as its basis function and applied to a single real-valued sine wave happens to produces a two valued results which is interpreted as positive and negative frequency. There are other transforms (like the Discrete Cosine Transform) which would not produce any negative frequencies at all. Again, it’s a matter of mathematical convenience; the Fourier Transform is often the quickest and most efficient way to solve a specific problem.

• I agree, it is certainly a lot more convenient to work in the complex domain - the 'issue' creeps up because some individuals claim that there is no physical meaning to negative frequencies, yet somehow they possess energy in the frequency domain. Well, if they aren't 'really there', then where is this energy? Oct 19, 2011 at 3:20

even though everything important has been said I wanted to add some code and more visual keys on why the following formulas require positve and negative frequencies to make clear that negative frequencies are important for canceling out the counterparts in the inverse dft.

So lets see for

$$\sin z = \frac{1}{2\mathrm{i}} \left(\mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}z} - \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}z} \right)$$
$$\cos z = \frac{1}{2} \left(\mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}z} + \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}z} \right)$$

lets first produce a complex sinusoids and plot it:

# sine wave parameters
freq = 1;    # frequency in Hz
ampl = 1;    # amplitude in a.u.
phas = 0; # phase in radians

# generate the sine wave
pos_csw = ampl * np.exp( 1j* (2*np.pi * freq * time + phas) );
neg_csw = ampl * np.exp( 1j* (2*np.pi * (- freq ) * time + phas) );

# plot the results
plt.plot(time,np.real(pos_csw),label='real')
plt.plot(time,np.imag(pos_csw),label='imag')
plt.xlabel('Time (sec.)'), plt.ylabel('Amplitude')
plt.title('Complex positive freq sine wave projections')
plt.legend()
plt.show()

# plot the results
plt.plot(time,np.real(neg_csw),label='real')
plt.plot(time,np.imag(neg_csw),label='imag')
plt.xlabel('Time (sec.)'), plt.ylabel('Amplitude')
plt.title('Complex negative freq sine wave projections')
plt.legend()
plt.show()

# now show in 3D
fig = plt.figure()
ax.plot(time,np.real(pos_csw),np.imag(pos_csw))
ax.plot(time,np.real(neg_csw),np.imag(neg_csw))

ax.set_xlabel('Time (s)'), ax.set_ylabel('Real part'), ax.set_zlabel('Imag part')
ax.set_title('Complex sine wave in all its 3D glory')
plt.show()   now for computing cosine = pos_csw + neg_csw results in  while computing sine = pos_csw - neg_csw results in:  So dividing by 2 is necessary because the not canceling factors add the same values to each other and dividing by i for sine is necessary to become real.

You should study the Fourier transform or series to understand the negative frequency. Indeed Fourier showed that we can show all of waves using some sinusoids. Each sinusoid can be shown with two peaks at the frequency of this wave one in positive side and one in negative. So the theoretical reason is clear. But for the physical reason, I always see that people say negative frequency has just mathematical meaning. But I guess a physical interpretation that I'm not pretty sure; When you study the circular motion as the principal of discussions about the waves, the direction of speed of the movement on the half-circle is inverse of the another half. This can be the reason why we have two peaks in both sides of the frequency domain for each sine wave.

• Hossein, yes, I agree it had be confused for a while. I am waiting on yoda for his feedback, but if it is just simply the sign of the derivative of the phase, then I see a linguistic problem - perhaps the source of confusion with the many other folks I have talked to about this as well. The physical meaning of a 'frequency' is 'the rate of oscillation' of something, meaning is has to be positive. This is where I think the definitions differ from that in physics. Oct 16, 2011 at 3:48
• Please look at the page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_motion; $w=2∗π/T$ and $f=1/T$ so f and w have direct relation. In each wave, the direction of speed is changed to have a complete oscillation. We always should take care that a real wave needs two rates to be a complete one. In practice when you work with spectrum analyzer, you've just positive part because it is sufficient. The negative part is quite meaningful because in case of the shift, you can see this negative part on spectrum analyzer that shows just positive parts. Oct 16, 2011 at 14:48

An easy way of thinking about the problem is to imaging a standing wave. The standing wave (in time domain) can be represented as a sum of two oppositely moving traveling waves (in frequency domain with positive and negative k vector, or +w and -w which is equivalent). Here comes the answer on why you have two frequency components in the FFT. FFT is basically a sum (convolution) of many of such oppositely traveling waves that represent your function in time domain.

Actual event frequency is always positive

Frequency is measured in Hz which is defined as 1/s and is used to count how often an event repeats. Indeed nothing can happen at a negative frequency. If there were negative frequencies, then the period (1/f) between events would be negative and negative times are still to be discovered.

Negative frequency as a tool

There are negative balances for accounts in spite there are no negative banknotes. When we own -\$10 on our bank account, by convention we actually owe \$10 to the bank. These dollars are positive money. Negative amounts are a useful tool because if we sum up several amounts we actually balance what is owned and what is owed, and the result itself says how much we finally own or owe. It's the same for frequency. Frequency is a positive number of cycles per second. The negative sign comes from the way we represent signals as trigonometric equations or rotating phasors. We use negative frequencies as a tool. Like negative money amount are not linked to special banknotes of negative value, negative frequencies are not linked to unusual periodic phenomena. All banknotes are positive and all periodic phenomena have a positive frequency.

Negative frequencies: Blame Euler

A complex number ($$x+jy$$) can be represented by a complex exponential number $$z = re^{jθ}$$ linking the polar coordinates of $$z$$. Complex exponential is similar to logarithm, a product is simplified into the sum of the exponents.

In DSP, it's convenient to represent a sinusoid (a very specific case of periodic event) as a product of two complex numbers, the phasor and the carrier: $$signal = Ae^{j \phi} \times e^{j 2 \pi \times frequency \times t}$$

The advantage is the phasor is a constant value describing signal amplitude and phase angle at $$t=0$$, while the carrier is a variable with magnitude 1 and which phase angle $$2 \pi f t$$ is proportional to time and angular velocity (so frequency). As many operations involve either only the phasor or only the carrier, this pair of independent complex numbers is handy.

From Euler's formula we know sinusoids, sines and cosines, can be split into two carriers which are conjugate complex numbers, sharing the same phasor. However complex conjugates correspond to carriers with opposite frequencies, therefore we need to introduce negative frequencies. At no time these carriers are physical phenomena, they are just mathematical tools.

A rotating phasor is not a physical phenomena

The product of a phasor and a carrier is a rotating phasor, which in the end is just a rotating vector. We can represent a rotating vector in 3D in order to visualize how the complex value changes with time. The result is a helix, which rotation direction depends on the sign of the frequency, e.g. positive on the left/top, negative on the right/bottom:

Rotating phasor with positive (left) and negative (right) frequency

Just like we were able to convert sinusoids into a phasor*carrier product, we can get the original sinusoid by taking the real part of the product if we want to have a cosine equation, or the imaginary part if we prefer a sine equation. These curves are visible above.

Note the helices represent nothing real either. Maybe the sinusoids represent a physical phenomena, like the variation of luminosity at a certain point in space. If they do, it's clear there is nothing special when they are extracted from a negative frequency rotating phasor. There is no difference, except a time shift.

In addition when negative frequencies appear in the spectrum of a signal, which is often the case when using Fourier transforms, they have no special meaning, excepted there is a negative frequency carrier (in the sense used in this answer) behind.

Negative frequency in spectrum

Negative frequencies are as important as positive frequencies. Frequencies varies according to operation performed on the signal. The sign of the frequency can change. A basic example is when a signal is multiplied by a sinusoid, or equivalently by a rotating phasor. Such multiplication is the base of modulation. Say we have a signal which is the sum of:

• $$4.2 \cos(2 \pi \times 23 t)$$
• $$3.8 \cos(2 \pi \times 55 t)$$
• $$5.6 \cos(2 \pi \times 88 t)$$

A DFT splits each sinusoid into two rotating phasors of frequency -f and f, and half amplitude: When this signal is multiplied by $$1.3 \cos(2 \pi \times 200 t)$$, the spectrum is shifted by +200Hz: Negative frequencies have disappeared, the spectrum is made of 6 spectral lines which happen to be symmetrical around 200Hz, but that's all. If this spectrum is a breakdown of an actual radio signal, the sign of the frequency has no particular meaning, the shifted signal is not more "real" than the un-shifted one. Remember the spectral lines, which represent, say a voltage from sone sensor, are not connected to the helices but to the sinusoids, which are neutral regarding the sign of the frequency.

• -1, a rotating phasor does have associated physical phenomena, and the arguments under the section are unsound. "no difference except time shift" is incorrect, no shifting of one relative to other will create a match. The visuals are nice but substance flawed. Dec 21, 2022 at 17:20
• @OverLordGoldDragon/ Thanks for the comment. I think you misunderstood my point, a rotating phasor is a mathematical tool, not a physical phenomena, and shifting a sinusoid will match another sinusoid of the same frequency (I'm not talking about compound signals here).
– mins
Dec 21, 2022 at 17:25
• Your writing reads as "$+f$ is $-f$ within a time-shift", which isn't correct. Also all of math is "mathematical, not physical", defeating the purpose of discussion in this sense. Dec 21, 2022 at 17:41
• I guess you meant $f$ as in a real-valued sinusoid input, but first that could be worded better as it immediately follows phasors discussion, and second it doesn't support the claim anyway as the full FT operates on complex inputs and "complex" != "nonphysical". Dec 21, 2022 at 17:43
• Right, hence my followup comment. I did misread it, my mistake, but with intent to favor the argument. Dec 21, 2022 at 19:08

What is the meaning of negative distance? One possibility is that it's for continuity, so you don't have to flip planet Earth upside down every time you walk across the equator, and want to plot your position North with a continuous 1st derivative.

Same with frequency, when one might do such things as FM modulation with a modulation wider than the carrier frequency. How would you plot that?

• See my new answer / edit to question Oct 19, 2011 at 3:21

The significance is s p i n (The first part of this answer assumes familiarity with complex "spin"; supplementary explanations are referenced at bottom, and should be consulted before reading the main body if one's unfamiliar.)

Spectral asymmetry is spin asymmetry. Negatives dominating positives guarantees net-clockwise traversal about the axis of evolution (which is also the axis of revolution), and vice versa.

One can have all the ingredients, but the missing piece can be the right perspective. The key is to recognize that spin is a separate degree of freedom.

The Fourier transform collapses the time axis and only speaks of frequencies. Its ability to directly represent variation, in that behavior is read off directly from coefficients faithfully, does not extend to frequencies or amplitudes that change over time. More generally, we have time-frequency, whose coefficients directly represent frequency and amplitude over time - in best case exactly, in worst case bounded by Heisenberg's uncertainty. Within it, positives are negatives are both more distinct and more natural:  We have what can be described as pulses - bursts of oscillations - and a usual spectrogram, except also showing negatives, and this time the intensities aren't mirrored as for real-valued signals. Each half of the spectrogram responds to unique variation.

Indeed, lack of mirroring guarantees the signal isn't real-valued. This may be a surprise - per conventional wisdom of STFT modulus discarding phase, one may figure we can mirror magnitude but have phase be not Hermitian-symmetric. But we can't! To do so would mean we have counter-clockwise and clockwise traversal over same time instants, which by definition cancel. The only alternatives are complete sign reversal, which cancels to zero, or aligned rotation, which doubles up either on positives or negatives. Indeed, STFT isn't FT, and its modulus is strongly invertible (within global phase shift) - if such mirroring were possible, much more info would be lost.

More yet, CWT says positives and negatives are infinitely apart. In an important sense, CWT is the one with fixed resolution, not STFT - and follows ratio-based (logarithmic) decomposition, more natural for many structures. If we try to cross from negatives to positives, with linear frequency growth, we see:  The traversal stops, momentarily. This is required, since we're crossing the DC bin, which is of course the constant bin with zero derivative - and it further shows the fundamental distinction: no amount of speeding up or slowing down, or changing of intensity, results in changed direction of rotation.

The morale is simple: spin encodes irreducible variation that is inexpressible in terms of frequency - rate of oscillation - or amplitude - intensity of oscillation. As a more familiar analogy, it's like using a microphone that only records volume, without frequency: no matter how we do it, volume is just volume - an entire degree of freedom is missing.

So what's it all mean? What of the "real world"?

The real world: Source: Vsauce

The world orbits the sun, the sun orbits Sagittarius A* - in turn, our Earth traverses a helix about the sun's orbit. If we take January 1 to be 0 degrees with respect to the sun and start recording, then by December 31, the Earth will traverse 358.77 degrees counterclockwise about the sun with a mean radius of 149,600,000 km, and 7,233,408,000 km with respect to Saggitarius A*. The Discrete Fourier Transform of this path peaks at $$+3.16 \times 10^{-8}\ \text{Hz}$$, with amplitude of around 149,600,000 km, and no negative frequencies.

If aliens hand us a graph of the complete Fourier transform of Earth's orbit (and cite relativity for how they saw future paths), and the graph shows a peak at a negative frequency, we'll ask if they have room aboard.

If we want to compare slinkies, or springs, Source: sparktec, e-Bay

If the spring on left is meant to be inserted from the wide end, then its Fourier transform peaks negative (clockwise), else positive. If we want coiling with even spacing, we can check if there's multiple peaks close in amplitude, as with springs on right. If we want windings to have the same radius, or compare spacings between windings, we can look at their spectrogram, which is a locally weighted unfolding of the Fourier transform along time, that'll reveal the instantaneous radius and rate of winding over the length of the spring.

If we want to measure the performance of an all-terrain vehicle (ATV), Source: carbuzz.com

the 2D Fourier transform (rather, 3D spectrogram) of a recording of a point on the wheel over time, and over distance the ATV travels on muddy roads, will reveal the efficiency with which the wheels' rotations result in actual motion as opposed to fighting the mud (distance vs time amplitude), and we can compare performance for different wheel speeds (frequency), and when the car is going forward vs backwards (negative vs positive frequency).

The list goes on. Now, some may object. Yet, the "metaphysical status" of complex numbers bears no difference. The positive and negative frequencies of the Fourier transform meaningfully and usefully describe physical phenomena, and each is distinct and necessary for a complete description.

### I still don't buy it! Where's real imaginary numbers? Source: Britannica

The Joint Time-Frequency Scattering transform shares bioplausibility with STRF (Spectro-Temporal Receptive Fields), where close correspondence with auditory responses of animals and humans is shown by neurophysiological and behavioral evidence (V. Lostanlen, et al, D. Klein, et al, F. Theunissen, et al). Methods include comparing direct measurements of auditory cortex responses with the model's coefficients to a range of stimuli, and correlating perceptual recognition of human listeners of musical sounds with nearest neighbor search directly on coefficients. T. Chi, et al estimate $$Q_2 \approx 2$$ (one of key transform parameters) in humans.

It's a fundamentally complex transform. It applies complex 2D wavelets upon the modulus of complex wavelet transform to discriminate rises and falls in frequency. The input is standard real-valued audio, but its projection to complex space is necessary to obtain the discriminatory, invariance, and stability properties of the transform that are responsible for the notable success of its features fed straight to a linear classifier on audio tasks. The linear classifier is the final stage of nearly all modern machine learning methods; success of fed features indicates that the relevant variability is distributed in such a way in the transformed space that distinct classes are grouped left and right (for example) and can be picked out by naked eye - or in short, strong explanatory power.

Simply put, there's strong evidence for the ear doing equivalently complex-valued processing. As for where exactly it happens, physically, I'm no cochlea expert at all.

What's required, physically, for distinct use of negative frequencies and complex numbers, is three degrees of freedom - with two of said degrees evolving in terms of the third, while forming a pair for which "angle" is a valid parameter. This is suggestive of rotation, and while valid rotational interpretation directly follows, something physically rotating is not required - the rotation can instead take place in the resulting projection, for example electric and magnetic components of an EM wave. Of course, physical circular behavior (not necessarily over time) is ideal.

### No matter what you say, imaginary isn't real

Is negative real? Can you hold negative two apples?

"I can have debt, that's negative money" - no, that's what the banker says to remove your positive money. Indeed, that's what "negative" means - a quantity such that, when combined with a positive of equal size, cancels.

An imaginary is a quantity such that, when squared and combined with a real squared, cancels.

Imaginaries "exist" as much as reals do. They don't, or they do. The name is what I consider to be the greatest misnomer in all of mathematics. And what I did above isn't semantic tricks - it's precisely how many mathematical concepts are defined - in terms of properties. The unit impulse is a distribution such that, when integrated over its entire domain, is unity. And I consider it to be a lot more "unreal" than imaginaries, yet it forms the basis of real-world signal processing.

### But what's it mean for my data?

It depends.

If the data is provided in complex form, odds are, it was fed through stages of processing to end up that way, and said processing determines the interpretation. I/Q data, for example, can be used to efficiently transmit two independent signals, or one and describe its amplitude and phase - positive and negative frequencies have no meaning here.

Worse yet, "positives" can lose their original meaning entirely - the Fourier transform is fundamentally a numeric manipulation, it need not come with any "meaning" attached. This can happen with a frequency shift to "baseband" (f=0), for example, that's done for engineering purposes. Then the interpretation could be efficient compression, sparse encoding, or other.

Either data must be measured as complex as in above examples, or the processing of real-valued data must involve operations that distinguish between positive and negative frequencies, as with JTFS.

### Notes

1. The intro GIF is JTFS 2D wavelets! It also provides the explanation that was "assumed" at top of this article.
2. The Fourier coefficient results of my Earth-sun example ignore the traversal about Saggitarius A*; instead, the "axis of evolution" is time. It could be made with respect to the traversal instead, with Earth's orbit projected into the 2D plane perpendicular to the sun's velocity.
• Hi OLGD from the past. You forgot that complex numbers are phasors, whose intensities point and combine perpendicular to rotation, not tangent. You missed this because you're not very smart. Luckily, this post isn't invalidated. You will fix the other one tomorrow. May 27 at 15:22

Used to be to get the right answer for power you had to double the answer. But if you integrate from minus infinity to plus infinity you get the right answer without the arbitrary double. So they said there must be negative frequecies. But no one has ever really found them. They are therefore imaginary or at least from a physical point of view unexplained.

This has turned out to be quite the hot topic.

After reading the rich multitude of good and diverse opinions and interpretations and letting the issue simmer in my head for sometime, I believe I have a physical interpretation of the phenomenon of negative frequencies. And I believe the key interpretation here is that fourier is blind to time. Expaning on this further:

There has been a lot of talk about the 'direction' of the frequency, and thus how it can be +ve or -ve. While the overarching insights of the authors saying this is not lost, this statement is nontheless inconsistent with the definition of temporal frequency, so first we must define our terms very carefully. For example:

• Distance is a scalar (can only ever be +ve), while displacement is a vector. (ie, has direction, can be +ve or -ve to illustrate heading).

• Speed is a scalar (can only be +ve), while velocity is a vector. (ie, again, has direction, and can be +ve or -ve).

Thus by the same tokens,

• Temporal Frequency is a scalar, (can only be +ve)! Frequency is defined as number of cycles per unit time. If this is the accepted definition, we cannot simply claim that it is going in 'a different direction'. Its a scalar after-all. Instead, we must define a new term - the vector equivalent of frequency. Perhaps 'angular frequency' would be the right terminology here, and indeed, that is precisely what a digital frequency measures.

Now all the sudden we are in the business of measuring number of rotations per unit time, (a vector quantity that can have direction), VS just the number of repititions of some physical oscillation.

Thus when we are asking about the physical interpretation of negative frequencies, we are also implicitly asking about how the scalar and very real measures of number of oscillations per unit time of some physical phenomenon like waves on a beach, sinusoidal AC current over a wire, map to this angular-frequency that now all the sudden happens to have direction, either clockwise or counterclockwise.

From here, to arrive at a physical interpretation of negative frequencies two facts need to be heeded. The first one is that as Fourier pointed out, an oscillatory real tone with scalar temporal frequency, f, can be constructed by adding two oscillatory complex tones, with vector angular frequencies, +w and -w together.

$$\cos(\omega_0 t)=\frac{e^{\jmath \omega_0t}+e^{-\jmath \omega_0 t}}{2}$$

Thats great, but so what? Well, the complex tones are rotating in directions opposite to each other. (See also Sebastian's comment). But what is the significance of the 'directions' here that give our angular frequencies their vector status? What physical quantity is being reflected in the direction of rotation? The answer is time. In the first complex tone, time is travelling in the +ve direction, and in the second complex tone, time is travelling in the -ve direction. Time is going backwards.

Keeping this in mind and taking a quick diversion to recall that temporal frequency is the first derivative of phase with respect to time, (simply the change of phase over time), everything begins to fall into place:

The physical interpretation of negative frequencies is as follows:

My first realization was that fourier is time-agnostic. That is, if you think about it, there is nothing in fourier analysis or the transform itself that can tell you what the 'direction' of time is. Now, imagine a physically oscillating system (ie a real sinusoid from say, a current over a wire) that is oscillating at some scalar temporal-frequency, f.

Imagine 'looking' down this wave, in the forwards direction of time as it progresses. Now imagine calculating its difference in phase at every point in time you progress further. This will give you your scalar temporal frequency, and your frquency is positive. So far so good.

But wait a minute - if fourier is blind to time, then why should it only consider your wave in the 'forward' time direction? There is nothing special about that direction in time. Thus by symmetry, the other direction of time must also be considered. Thus now imagine 'looking' up at the same wave, (ie, backwards in time), and also performing the same delta-phase calculation. Since time is going backwards now, and your frequency is change-of-phase/(negative time), your frequency will now be negative!

What Fourier is really saying, is that this signal has energy if played forward in time at frequency bin f, but ALSO has energy if played backwards in time albeit at frequency bin -f. In a sense it MUST say this because fourier has no way of 'knowing' what the 'true' direction of time is!

So how does fourier capture this? Well, in order to show the direction of time, a rotation of some sort must be employed such that a clockwise roation dealinates 'looking' at the signal in the forward arrow of time, and a counterclockwise roation dealinates 'looking' at the signal as if time was going backwards. The scalar temporal frequency we are all familiar with should now be equal to the (scaled) absolute value of our vector angular frequency. But how can a point signifying the displacement of a sinusoid wave arrive at its starting point after one cycle yet simultaneously rotate around a circle and maintain a manifestation of the temporal frequency it signifies? Only if the major axes of that circle are composed of measuring displacement of this point relative to the original sinusoid, and a sinusoid off by 90 degrees. (This is exactly how fourier gets his sine and cosine bases the you project against every time you perform a DFT!). And finally, how do we keep those axes seperate? The 'j' guarantees that the magnitude on each axis is always independant of the magnitude on the other, since real and imaginary numbers cannot be added to yield a new number in either domain. (But this is just a side note).

Thus in summary:

The fourier transform is time-agnostic. It cannot tell the direction of time. This is at the heart of negative frequencies. Since frequency = phase-change/time, anytime you take the DFT of a signal, fourier is saying that if time was going forwards, your energy is located on the +ve frequency axis, but if your time was going backwards, your energy is located on the -ve frequency axis.

As our universe has shown before, it is precisely because Fourier does not know the direction of time, that both sides of the DFT must be symmetric, and why the existence of negative frequencies are necessary and in fact very real indeed.

• I think you're reading a bit too much into this in an attempt to justify an answer that you already have decided upon. The roots of "negative" frequencies have been pointed out in other answers. The Fourier transform uses complex exponentials as its basis functions. Their complex nature makes it possible to discriminate the sign of the exponential's frequency as time increases. Complex exponentials are of interest because they are eigenfunctions of linear time-invariant systems. That makes the FT very useful as an signal and systems analysis tool. Oct 19, 2011 at 13:42
• The negative frequencies that exist in the complex-exponential decomposition of signals are part of the package that comes along with using the Fourier transform. There is no need to come up with a complicated, qualitative explanation for what they must mean. Oct 19, 2011 at 13:43
• Also, I think your first bullet might be in error; I've always heard distance referred to as a scalar, while displacement is a vector quantity. Oct 19, 2011 at 13:44
• Also, in addition to what Jason said, I really fail to see the "physical" aspect in this answer, that you said was lacking in all the others... Oct 19, 2011 at 14:08
• you've come full circle with this answer and arrived at where we began. Negative frequencies shouldn't seem any odder than the negative numbers and negatively labelled x-y planes we were using in grade school. Mathematics doesn't care and never has, that the Fourier transform conforms to this is really not that surprising. Math always allowed time to "flow backwards" so why shouldn't the universe? Hardly more physical than the common sense "opposite spin" answer, but interesting nonetheless. Nov 19, 2017 at 20:09