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I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT.

However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.

In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?

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Edit: II was interested in how DFT and IDFT can be mapped onto 3GPP TS 36.211. In other words, which part of the standard implies usingusages of DFT and IDFT. Based on the answer given by AlexTP I understand that DFT usage is implied by chapter 5.3.3, whereas IDFT is described in chapter 6.12 (I am refering to version 13.4 of the standard). My first guestguess was that both DFT and IDFT are implied by chapter 6.12. Extra information that only PUSCH uses SC-FDMA was very useful.

There are some subtleties though. However, it is out of the scope of this question.

I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT.

However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.

In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?

Edit: I was interested how DFT and IDFT can be mapped onto 3GPP TS 36.211. In other words, which part of the standard implies using DFT and IDFT. Based on answer given by AlexTP I understand that DFT usage is implied by chapter 5.3.3, whereas IDFT is described in chapter 6.12 (I am refering to version 13.4 of the standard). My first guest was that both DFT and IDFT are implied by chapter 6.12. Extra information that only PUSCH uses SC-FDMA was very useful.

There are some subtleties though. However, it is out of the scope of this question.

I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT.

However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.

In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?

Edit:

I was interested in how DFT and IDFT can be mapped onto 3GPP TS 36.211. In other words, which part of the standard implies usages of DFT and IDFT. Based on the answer given by AlexTP I understand that DFT usage is implied by chapter 5.3.3, whereas IDFT is described in chapter 6.12 (I am refering to version 13.4 of the standard). My first guess was that both DFT and IDFT are implied by chapter 6.12. Extra information that only PUSCH uses SC-FDMA was very useful.

There are some subtleties though. However, it is out of the scope of this question.

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I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT.

However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.

In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?

Edit: I was interested how DFT and IDFT can be mapped onto 3GPP TS 36.211. In other words, which part of the standard implies using DFT and IDFT. Based on answer given by AlexTP I understand that DFT usage is implied by chapter 5.3.3, whereas IDFT is described in chapter 6.12 (I am refering to version 13.4 of the standard). My first guest was that both DFT and IDFT are implied by chapter 6.12. Extra information that only PUSCH uses SC-FDMA was very useful.

There are some subtleties though. However, it is out of the scope of this question.

I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT.

However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.

In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?

I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT.

However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.

In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?

Edit: I was interested how DFT and IDFT can be mapped onto 3GPP TS 36.211. In other words, which part of the standard implies using DFT and IDFT. Based on answer given by AlexTP I understand that DFT usage is implied by chapter 5.3.3, whereas IDFT is described in chapter 6.12 (I am refering to version 13.4 of the standard). My first guest was that both DFT and IDFT are implied by chapter 6.12. Extra information that only PUSCH uses SC-FDMA was very useful.

There are some subtleties though. However, it is out of the scope of this question.

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I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT.

I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT. However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.

However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.

In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?
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In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?


  I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT. However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.
In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?
Best regards

I am trying to understand how SC-FDMA is used in LTE system. Every description I found so far refers to DFT and IDFT.

However, when I checked 3GPP TS 36.211 chapter 5.4 (SC-FDMA baseband signal generation) and 6.12 (OFDM baseband signal generation) I found that there is hardly any difference between given equations (I did not copy the equations here because they are quite long) - OFDMA takes into consideration DC subcarrier, in case of SC-FDMA term "k + 1/2" is used wheres OFDMA uses simply term "k" (k can be denoted as number of subcarrier). Moreover the document does not say anything about neither DFT nor IDFT.

In case of OFDMA, I can imagine how the given equation can be considered as IDFT. But what about SC-FDMA? It looks like that modulated symbol is mapped in between two subcarrier. Can somebody explain me this issue in details?

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