# Why complex numbers are represents as a+ib and can't be as (a,b)?

I am confused as why do we need to represent the complex numbers with the imaginary y-axis if we can simply represent them as (x,y) ?

I've read that Multiplication by i is an anti-clockwise rotation of a quarter-circle over y-axis.

Multiplying 1 by i gives i. Multiplying i, by i once more, does another quarter-circle and gives -1. So, multiplying by -1 means a rotation of a half-circle. That is the meaning of i*i=-1.

So what does that supposed to mean ?

Suppose, I am solving an equation and I ended up with an answer like 3i does that mean i've moved from x-axis to y-axis by half-circle counter clock wise ? I couldn't be able to visualize this properly

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You often do see complex numbers referenced as a point in the complex plane $(x,y)$. It's not clear what your question is; you seem to understand the geometric interpretation of the complex plane. –  Jason R Feb 25 '13 at 18:04
The (x,y) representation works for vectors, which are similar to complex numbers; however you are missing the whole “imaginary” thing. Complex numbers open up a new dimension to analysis because they support the square root of negative numbers. As such complex numbers are truly different animals than real numbers and cannot be represented simply as two dimensional vectors of real numbers. –  user2718 Feb 25 '13 at 19:14

Yes, in signal processing, complex numbers are usually visualized on the complex plane, as you have said.

The reason is that if you put them on a plane, then you are able to measure two important quantities:

1) Magnitude, which is $\sqrt(x^2 + y^2)$

2) Phase angle between your point and the origin, given by $\tan^{-1} \frac{y}{x}$.

If you simply left them as a point, ($x$,$y$), you would not be able to concretize and have a frame work for those quantities.

You may ask, why are those quantities, in turn, important? In signal processing, we are of course dealing with signals, and physically, we are dealing with 'real' signals. However, though a nice trick, an constant oscillation of a quantity in 'real' life, (like a cosine wave), is equivalent to two phasors, rotating around in opposite directions on the complex plane, and adding up together. With this framework, we can see that the phase angles 'cancel' each other out, and that the magnitudes of their resultant give us the magnitude of our 'real' signal.

In fact this is what one of euler's formulas captures. That is:

$$\cos(2\pi ft) = \frac{e^{j2\pi ft} + e^{-j2\pi ft}}{2}$$

You can see here how we can easily relate a 'real' world concept, like an oscillating cosine wave, with the 'complex' world of phasors, as they exist and rotate around in the complex plane.

This is one of the corner stones of DSP.

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For one definition of complex numbers, the symbology "a + ib" and "(a,b)" are equivalent representations as long as the operations on those symbols completely follow the set of rules for complex arithmetic (including multiplication implying a rotation).

The meaning is that complex arithmetic using such arithmetic rules actually simplifies a whole bunch of theorems and computations (including solutions of polynomial roots, infinite series convergence, etc.). The behavior of pairs of real quantities in the real world can sometimes be closely approximated by models using arithmetic under such rules, and then by calling one of the quantities "imaginary" to match the computational symbology used in the model.

Consider it a mathematical "trick" that is too helpful to not use. e.g. Cardano and other Renaissance-era Italian mathematicians attempted to solve cubic equations without the use of complex or imaginary numbers, and their solutions were tons more long-winded because of that.

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+1. hotpaw2, do you have an example of Cardano and Renaissance era mathematicians trying to solve cubic equations without complex numbers and having their long winded answers? If you know of some example, that would go a long way to motivating students for the importance of complex numbers in DSP. –  Mohammad Feb 25 '13 at 20:16
There are several books on the history of mathematics that include these stories is detail. IIRC, "An Imaginary Tale" by Nahin is one of many. –  hotpaw2 Feb 25 '13 at 20:23
The book you suggested is available here :) reading it now .. scribd.com/doc/102614774/An-Imaginary-Tale-the-Story-of-i –  Sufiyan Ghori Feb 26 '13 at 14:21
@Mohammad IIRC, this book has a whole chapter on the Cardano/Tartaglia conflict surrounding solution of the cubic. –  datageist Feb 26 '13 at 17:55
@datageist Ah! Fantastic - just ordered! :-) –  Mohammad Feb 26 '13 at 18:36